Congressman Black Goes “On The Record” With Greta Van Susteren to Discuss Potential Fraud and Abuse in Obamacare

Jul 23, 2013 Issues: Health

Washington, DC – Congressman Diane Black (R-TN-06) was interviewed on Fox News’ On The Record with Greta Van Susteren about the vast potential for fraud and abuse that could result from the Obamacare “Data Hub” and President Obama’s decision to delay verification provisions to collect subsidies for the Obamacare exchanges. Congressman Black has been a leading voice to bring attention to privacy and security threats of the Obamacare Data Hub and has introduced HR 2022 -- legislation that would halt the implementation of Obamacare until each government agency with access to the Data Hub verifies under perjury of the law that the American people’s personal information will not be misused in anyway. Furthermore, Congressman Black recently introduced H.R. 2775, the No Subsidies Without Verification Act, which would protect American taxpayers by making sure that there are accurate, real-time verification systems in place to prevent fraudulent Obamacare subsidy claims. Excerpts of her interview are below, or to watch the video, click here.

Greta Van Susteren: It is hard to hear that word “trust” when we just had Edward Snowden, who apparently someone we should have trusted, had access to data and spilled some of the data.

Rep. Black: Or the IRS . . .  And here is a reason why I don't have trust in what they are saying. I was actually at this committee hearing and had the opportunity to ask the acting director questions as well—what they say does not match what they write and put out in rules. We've seen this over and over again . . . Recently what they put out in the rule is that they would delay verification. Verification is one of the strong tenants of that bill—verifying someone's income, or their citizenship status... Now we know in that 600 page document that came out the day after the fourth of July, hidden in there, there is a piece that says they would delay the verification process. Can you imagine how many people will get on the exchanges with subsidies without any verification?

Greta Van Susteren: . . .  It seems to me there is also this information hub side of it where we are going to be giving personal information about our health and in part to see whether or not we qualify for subsidies. But the question I have, is that you know, I hear we are supposed to trust that who has access to that hub and that's why I go back to my Snowden question and you said the IRS. It sound like everyone dips in takes a peek at stuff.

Rep. Black: We don’t have assurances in any of the rules they put out so far because you've got a lot of people who have access to this Data Hub. This is the largest group of data or personal information about the American people that’s ever been in one place. So we've got a lot of hands in this; a lot of movement back and forth from the states from contractors, from various employees and agencies and there really are not assurances in this law.. to give us complete confidence that our personal health information is not going to be shared. Again, they say in committee, no, that's not so. But when you read the rules they have written, you can see there aren't good assurances there. There is still a lot of uncertainty there.

Greta Van Susteren: Since we’ve obviously seen that the NSA looks at stuff they aren't supposed to and we’ve seen that at the Justice Department—there was an investigation from the inspector general of the treasury saying people were looking at tax records without permission—It is hard to just swallow the “just trust me” line from this witness.

Rep. Black: That's the reason why I do have a bill: HR 2022, that says under perjury of law that they would certify—each agency—that our personal information would not be misused and used for political purposes.


Congressman Diane Black represents Tennessee’s 6th Congressional District. She has been a registered nurse for more than 40 years and serves on the House Ways and Means and Budget Committees.